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Also: http://blog.wired.com/sterling/2008/07/the-website-of.html
25 July 2008
A sends:
I would like to add one thing to keep the record clean. In reference to Byfield on 24 July 2008 I think what really is missing is proving the story with pictures and concrete timeline. Secondly, he doesn't take into consideration that pictures can be created as copies of pictures on the one hand and stills of video streams at the other hand.
24 July 2008
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:49:29 -0400 From: t byfield <tbyfield[at]panix.com> To: Nettime-l <nettime-l[at]kein.org> Subject: Re: <nettime> Karadzic's website digest [x3: Spaink, Wilson, Young] It's good to see the diligence that's gone into 'debunking' the Dabic site, but it isn't clear why anyone would assume the site was "real" -- or what that would mean. That the HTML was hand-tweaked by a war criminal? Exciting maybe, but sort of beside the point. Anyone who grabbed (or wants to grab) the .zip archive I posted will find an extra file that wasn't in the website's file structure -- a text file of whois output for the domain. Since all the registration data is anonymized, the record is interesting for one, and only one, thing: the registration date. There's a reason I included it, and there's a reason (several, actually) that I didn't advertise my skepticism about the site -- beyond noting that archive.org had never heard of it. It's unfortunately that subsequent ~discussion got sucked directly into a real!/fake! dichotomy, which isn't very well suited to navigating the wilderness of mirrors that is Serbian politics -- especially in the context of a public charade like the government trading the declining utility of a war criminal for the inclining utility of EU membership. OK, let's go through this. The question isn't whether the site is a hoax -- of course it is -- but, rather *whose* hoax? The chronology so satisfying (I guess) to debunkers has to go something like this: after the arrest, some wag on the internet (1) registered the .com domain for his pseudonym, (2) hunted down remarkably high-res candid snapshots of an obscure Serbian new ager, (3) copied facts and/or text about him from sites that don't actually mention him (and hadn't yet been reported), (4) translated them in order to make the site seem more 'credible,' and (5) sorted out hosting details etc. And all of this went so quickly that the DNS entry for the brand-new domain propagated in time for the site to make it into the next news cycle around the world. The droll facts (domain registration, hosting) are hardly in dispute, but the interesting issues get paved over in the zeal to show that someone's been duped. Where did the images and bio factoids come from? The debunkers assume (I guess) that the Dabic site laundered images available elsewhere, but the chronology makes much more sense if you assume the opposite -- that the media laundered images first distributed through the Dabic site. I did quite a bit of searching and certainly saw some of these images on the Dabic site first; only later did they appear in mainstram outlets with the laughable credits to "AP" and "AFP/Getty Images." (Hey, and where did AFP get this one? http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23519567-details/Beast+of+Bosnia%27s
+secret+life+revealed:+Karadzic+had+a+mistress+and+drank+red+wine+in+The+Madhouse+bar/article.do It's in a series with one of the photos on the Dabic site, but aside from that its provenance is unknown.) It's good to be leery of post hoc ergo propter hoc arguments, but I'd be equally leery -- moreso, even -- of assuming that the Serbian government completely overlooked how to spin Karadzic's arrest. By which I mean: how to establish a seemingly credible story. It's one thing to merely say that he was hiding in plain sight, but how much more effective to *show* it: here's his website (two, actually, the "fake" one and the "real" one -- says who? AP! -- registered just a few months before), here's a parade of people duly swearing that if they passed him on the street they'd have NO IDEA who he was, here's the bar where -- it's strongly suggested -- that everyone had a very good idea who he was, etc, etc. The official story is awfully hard to swallow: one of the most recognizable people in the region grows a beard and kooky haircut, and suddenly no one -- not even the his far-rightist neighbors -- recognizes him: not his voice, not his mannerisms, not his posture. Pick your favorite political bogey (Bush or Cheney in the US, for example): a beard would totally throw you, right? When reports surfaced that foreign intelligence agencies (US and UK at least) were involved in tracking Karadzic down, the Serbian authorities -- which had insisted for years they had no idea where he was -- were quick to retort that they hadn't needed any help because "his whereabouts have been known for some time." No doubt. His arrest has been in the works for a long time now, and, like his hiding, many aspects of it were a hoax. DNS doesn't lie, but nor does it exactly tell the truth. Cheers, T -- http://b1ff.org # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mail.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime[at]kein.org
To: nettime-l[at]kein.org From: Tjebbe van Tijen <tjebbe[at]imaginarymuseum.org> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:32:16 +0200 Subject: <nettime> visual comment/associations: arrest of Karadicz & the beard of Saddam last resort for a haunted man is to hide behind his beard covering a face that became a public icon ~ once his zeal is betrayed and his cover is torn, it still will take generations before his defaced idol has vanished from all shrines http://imaginarymuseum.org/karadzic/karadzic_hussein.html to ridicule and make laughing stock out of a former ennemy is missing the opportunity to come to an understanding WHY it was that such a man could hold such power ~ it is failing to learn a lesson how to prevent it happeming again and again Tjebbe van Tijen Imaginary Museum Projects Dramatizing Historical Information http://imaginarymuseum.org
A sends:
Regarding the supposed "real" Dr. Dragan web site:
http://paranoia.no/blog/2008/07/24/real-dr-dragan-website-emerges
I don't understand the language from the site, but it's obvious that a strong
conflict of
interest is present and that there are individuals or groups from various
factions trying to manipulate
public perception of the, until now, secret life of Radovan Karadzic
24 July 2008
From Alan Turnbull, www.secret-bases.co.uk One of the images on the fake www.dragandabic.com was lifted from here:- http://www.sombor-cancer.org.yu More specifically, this page:- http://www.sombor-cancer.org.yu/HTML/Zdrav_zivot.html http://www.sombor-cancer.org.yu/IMAGES/ZdravZivot%201.JPG
24 July 2008
Update from Alan Turnbull, www.secret-bases.co.uk
Real Karadzic website is:-
But curiously ... still only registered in May 2008
Website designer (and registrant listed below) is Zoran Pavlovic who has been interviewed on BBC News
Registrant:
PAVLOVIC CONSULTING
Prvomajska 46, mml
Beograd, NA 11050
RS
Domain name: PSY-HELP-ENERGY.COM
Administrative Contact:
Pavlovic, Zoran
Prvomajska 46, mml
Beograd, NA 11050
RS
++38162241310
Technical Contact:
Pavlovic, Zoran
Prvomajska 46, mml
Beograd, NA 11050
RS
++38162241310
Registration Service Provider:
Ecommerce, Inc.,
800-861-9394
Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.
Record last updated on 22-May-2008.
Record expires on 22-May-2009.
Record created on 22-May-2008.
Domain servers in listed order:
ns14.ixwebhosting.com
ns13.ixwebhosting.com
23 July 2008
Errrr .... am I missing some "in-joke" here?
Take a look at the domain reg details:-
http://www.robtex.com/dns/dragandabic.com/whois.html
Registered 22nd July 2008 .. at 13.25 UTC judging by the expiration time.
No wonder it can't be found on Archive.org!!
Feel free to credit me on site!
Alan Turnbull
A sends 23 July 2008:
Regarding the supposed dragan website, is it really a coincidence that it expires 22.09.2009 - was it registered yesterday for 1 year? A quick inspection of the HTTP headers show us that my request for his face: GET http://dragandabic.com/dragan-dabic.jpg HTTP/1.1 Host: dragandabic.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 Accept: image/png,*/*;q=0.5 Accept-Language: en-us,en;q=0.5 Accept-Charset:utf-8 Keep-Alive: 300 Proxy-Connection: keep-alive Referer: http://paranoia.no/ Gives this response: HTTP/1.1 200 OK Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:20:11 GMT Server: Apache/2.0.61 (Unix) PHP/4.4.7 mod_ssl/2.0.61 OpenSSL/0.9.7e mod_fastcgi/2.4.2 DAV/2 SVN/1.4.2 Last-Modified: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:49:36 GMT ETag: "2c68807-3ed2-18303c00" Accept-Ranges: bytes Content-Length: 16082 Content-Type: image/jpeg Last-Modified being the timestamp from the file on the server. And that it's registered to an obvious front for what looks like a registrar service, but whoss webpages are all full of google ads for other registrars? Domain name: dragandabic.com Registrant Contact: Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc. Whois Agent PMB 368, 14150 NE 20th St - F1 C/O dragandabic.com Bellevue, WA 98007 US Administrative Contact: Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc. Whois Agent (mkhsbymxd@whoisprivacyprotect.com) +1.4252740657 Fax: +1.4256960234 PMB 368, 14150 NE 20th St - F1 C/O dragandabic.com Bellevue, WA 98007 US Technical Contact: Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc. Whois Agent (mkhsbymxd@whoisprivacyprotect.com) +1.4252740657 Fax: +1.4256960234 PMB 368, 14150 NE 20th St - F1 C/O dragandabic.com Bellevue, WA 98007 US Status: Locked Name Servers: ns1.dreamhost.com ns2.dreamhost.com ns3.dreamhost.com Creation date: Expiration date: 22 Jul 2009 13:25:00 .. $ host -t mx whoisprivacyprotect.com whoisprivacyprotect.com mail is handled by 5 eforwardct.name-services.com. whoisprivacyprotect.com mail is handled by 10 eforward3.name-services.com. The web pages of name-services.com contains the same google ads farm as whoisprivacyprotect.com $ host eforwardct.name-services.com eforwardct.name-services.com has address 216.163.188.58 $ whois 216.163.188.58 OrgName: Commtouch Software Inc. OrgID: COMMTO Address: 2029 Stierlin Court City: Mountain View StateProv: CA PostalCode: 94303 Country: US NetRange: 216.163.176.0 - 216.163.191.255 CIDR: 216.163.176.0/20 NetName: COMMTOUCH-INC NetHandle: NET-216-163-176-0-1 Parent: NET-216-0-0-0-0 NetType: Direct Assignment NameServer: NS1.CTMAIL.COM NameServer: NS2.CTMAIL.COM Comment: RegDate: 1999-09-01 Updated: 2002-03-25 and as a final correlation for the theory of the whole thing being put together yesterday: $ host -t soa dragandabic.com dragandabic.com has SOA record ns1.dreamhost.com. hostmaster.dreamhost.com. 2008072202 16220 1800 1814400 14400 That's when dreamhost last edited the dns zone, 2008 07 22. And it was modified twice before on that day too - hence the "02" at the end, instead of "00" which would be the first edit of the day. A blatant hoax and nothing else.